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== Mishima Ota 1957 Reign == | == Mishima Ota 1957 Reign == | ||
In the [[July 17]] page it is written that [[Mishima Ota]] won the title on July 17, 1957 defeating [[Juan Diaz]] in [[Mexicali]], [[Baja California]] and that match is not listed in this page. On the other hand, there is the date he won the title on October | In the [[July 17]] page it is written that [[Mishima Ota]] won the title on July 17, 1957 defeating [[Juan Diaz]] in [[Mexicali]], [[Baja California]] and that match is not listed in this page. On the other hand, there is the date he won the title on October 6 of that year, but in Plaza de Toros de Terron against Juan Diaz. | ||
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These are my own assumptions: It is not impossible that the match in Mexicali really happened. In that time there was the [[Arena Pueblo Nuevo]] and there were matches where national titles were on the line. Besides Mexicali was Mishima's "hometown" and that could make sense. Nevertheless, Juan could have a rematch and regained the title until October. All of that is difficult but not impossible. | These are my own assumptions: It is not impossible that the match in Mexicali really happened. In that time there was the [[Arena Pueblo Nuevo]] and there were matches where national titles were on the line. Besides Mexicali was Mishima's "hometown" and that could make sense. Nevertheless, Juan could have a rematch and regained the title until October. All of that is difficult but not impossible. | ||
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Latest revision as of 03:17, 2 July 2023
It scares and delights me that you have 1937 title defenses laying around. It doesn't surprise me, though. --thecubsfan 14:46, 31 March 2006 (CST)
heh, thought you'd enjoy that. The real fun is when I figure out how to get going with the IWRG titles since those are defended so often, it'd be interesting to see who the successful champs are. Trying to avoid the UWA Heavyweight Title for now as I know Canek has about a billion defenses in the 80's alone.--Robert 21:30, 31 March 2006 (CST)
i think they are just calling it a wiehgt division title and not putting it as a minins title they may unify but i think is to give guys in the mini division more compettion adn recognition
Jack O'Brien 1938 reign
Box Y Lucha 905, in a piece about the early history of titles and this title specifically, does not list a second reign for O'Brien. We haven't been able to find a date but his bio suggests it did happen.
that issue's lightweight history
- Jack O'Brien
- Dientes Hernandez
- Bobby Bonales
- Dientes Hernandez
- Adolfo Bonales
- Joe Silva
- Raul Romero
- Emilio Charles
- Joe Marin
- Alejandro Cruz/Black Shadow
- Juanito Diaz
- Mishima Ota
- Juanito Diaz
- Chanoc
- Ulises
- Chanoc
- Rodolfo Ruiz
- Alberto Muniz
- Rolando Costa
- Raul Rojas
- Estrella Blanca (current as time of magazine)
--thecubsfan (talk) 10:28, 21 January 2021 (PST)
Halcon Mensual 7
Halcon Mensual 7 has a story on the history of the title, on the occasion of Aristotles winning the tournament for the vacant belt. There's a listing of past reigns and it's a mess; there are title changes years off or missing entirely from what we've been able to source. The last few reigns are more likely to be correct, but I'm mostly posting this to note it exists while recommending against using it as source material for dates here. --thecubsfan (talk) 11:48, 24 May 2021 (PDT)
In 1983 (and upon his passing), Halcon 599 has Raul Guerrero winning the lightweight title for a second time on April 28, 1976. That doesn't fit with what we have, or that chart up there! Halcon is weird. --thecubsfan (talk) 13:26, 6 August 2021 (PDT)
Mishima Ota 1957 Reign
In the July 17 page it is written that Mishima Ota won the title on July 17, 1957 defeating Juan Diaz in Mexicali, Baja California and that match is not listed in this page. On the other hand, there is the date he won the title on October 6 of that year, but in Plaza de Toros de Terron against Juan Diaz.
I have the following questions:
1) What was the source where you found of the match and title change in Mexicali? I noticed thst this fact was uploaded for many years.
2) If that match happen, is that means Mishima was Mexican National Lightweight champion twice?
These are my own assumptions: It is not impossible that the match in Mexicali really happened. In that time there was the Arena Pueblo Nuevo and there were matches where national titles were on the line. Besides Mexicali was Mishima's "hometown" and that could make sense. Nevertheless, Juan could have a rematch and regained the title until October. All of that is difficult but not impossible.
--User:Tunderman 02:13, 2 July 2023 (PCT)
