Talk:Charly Manson

Are we sure Charly was Virtual? I've got records indicating they faced off

1998-03-10 AAA TV Pachuca, Hidalgo - Casanova, Valentino, Virtual b Charly Manson, Kanyana, Karis La Momia

and Charly would've been working twice at a lot of shows during that stretch. --Thecubsfan 20:47, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

It was mentioned in a scan from the AAA Dos y tres mag on [[1]]--Flashmagic 16:07, 18 December 2008 (EST)

Virutal's physique really doesn't mesh and Virtual ended up working indy shows while Charly was working in AAA which can't be possible. Unless there was an original Virtual and then someone new took over the gimmick when Manson came along.--Robert 01:06, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Maybe that's it? Here's a column from Luchas 2000 (where I got the picture.)

Problem is, I can't find Virtual results in Promo Azteca. May totally be misreading something. --thecubsfan 20:51, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

You're reading it right but it doesn't add up at all. I have no record of a Virtual ever appearing in Promo Azteca... let alone feuding with Nygma, Ultimo Guerrero and Ultimo Rebelde. Their only feud was with Salsero and Torero in the short 18 months they were all in Promo Azteca. Also he lists his debut match working in CMLL which also doesn't add up b/c we're talking about 1997/1998 when no newcomers in CMLL rings were ever paired up with the wrestlers he mentioned.

That picture is of him as Virtual? That's not the Virtual that worked in AAA. Possible he used the name Virtual as well and then someone else took the name when he dropped it.

I'm thinking he was majorly working the interviewer here OR is just trying to re-write his own history to make it sound better than it really was. What other explanation is there? If he was really feuding with those guys - wouldn't SOMEONE have mentioned it by now? Or photos would have existed?--Robert 01:48, 10 January 2011 (UTC)